是順應民意還是早有預謀？

都算好好了…. 好多經刪剪後變IIB級的電影, 要在發行影碟時才會推出三級足本

其實如果電影版原本被列為三級（是指真正在戲院可放映的版本，並非發行dvd時才考慮放上去的），也應照以三級公映，作為消費者也希望在戲院看得到可以看到的完整片．

Paul ng :
PS: 《死神4來了》可提供兩個版本同時上映, 是因為兩個版本的放映格式不同.
如果一套片只有一個放映格式, 是不能同時上映兩個版本.

我指的是兩個不同級數的版本.

記得１９９５年姜文的”陽光燦爛的日子”，第一次公映時是映普通的戲院版，全球所有戲院都是那個版．但隔了一段不算短的時間，在香港影藝獨家放映一個長達近三小時的版本．本人也有看過，是當中有不少零碎的片段也收錄在內，你可以說有些是可有可無，但作為觀眾總想看多一些．以上這個情況個人覺得全無問題，由於跟第一次公映相隔了一段不短的時間．以本人所知，近三小時的版本即使在dvd也無收錄，現在想看也看不到．

未看竟然有著數.

百老匯site已經刪除有關頁面
http://www3.cinema.com.hk/revamp/html/movie_upcoming.php?lang=c&mode=upcoming

唔通發行公司見佢地既行徑被視為搶錢, 故決定直情唔上三級版?

我上星期睇左.
唔小位會睇到完得唔自然.
如果有full version緊係好.

不過又咁講.
我覺得呢套戲節奏好慢.
就算有返剪左個d位.
都幫唔到太多

kingman :
昨日小弟打電話上安樂，兇佢話我睇左IIB級版，要求憑IIB票尾免費換III級版門票，唔換就上消委會投訴，最終安樂居然搵個院線CS員工同我講，扮唔知發行既事，我廢事同佢講，諗住星期一call消委會，誰不知似乎佢俾我兇到唔敢上III級版…..但我星期一照call消委會，無咁易放過佢

咁《少林足球》事件, 你有無call消委會投訴?

kingman :
Paul ng :

kingman :昨日小弟打電話上安樂，兇佢話我睇左IIB級版，要求憑IIB票尾免費換III級版門票，唔換就上消委會投訴，最終安樂居然搵個院線CS員工同我講，扮唔知發行既事，我廢事同佢講，諗住星期一call消委會，誰不知似乎佢俾我兇到唔敢上III級版…..但我星期一照call消委會，無咁易放過佢
咁《少林足球》事件, …

兩個case唔同，《少林足球》加…

雖然我認為今次發行方面既做法係點問題, 不過如果咁樣就要去消委會, 咁我想問下當年 古惑仔之戰無不勝 開頭都係以IIB刪剪版上映, 之後以三級足本放映, 咁樣我想問下需唔需要向嘉禾或劉偉強投訴呢, 我當年係睇IIB版, 咁我當年又係睇少左野, 我係唔係要投訴呢? 係唔係下下都要投訴先可以得到回報呢? 如果係咁既話, 咁大家有排可以投訴啦….. 好多戲上戲院時都係刪剪版IIB上映, 之後出碟就三級足本, 咁呢0的我需唔需要用張戲飛拎去碟舖或者發行公司換隻碟返黎睇呢….

我認為真係要投訴, 係唔係想清楚真正投訴的原因呢, 無人迫你入場睇, 就算入到場先發覺係刪剪版, 都係自願入場的, 係唔係應該想清楚投訴既定義呢?

我自己都有睇刪剪版, 至少知道下周有機會上映足本時, 自己都打左個突, 畢竟發行方面都知道有觀眾想看足本先起用電影中心及IFC放映足本, 這樣還不足夠嗎?

Alex :
kingman :Paul ng :

kingman :昨日小弟打電話上安樂，兇佢話我睇左IIB級版，要求憑IIB票尾免費換III級版門票，唔換就上消委會投訴，最終安樂居然搵個院線CS員工同我講，扮唔知發行既事，我廢事同佢講，諗住星期一call消委會，誰不知似乎佢俾我兇到唔敢上III級版…..但我星期一照call消委會，無咁易放過佢咁《少林足球》事件, …
兩個case唔同，《少…

100%同意.

Alex兄, 你講得仲好過我.

我覺得呢套無需增加票房出刪剪版..講真,,一般青少年又點會睇呢套,,要睇既都只係影迷..剪到一岩一忽,,18歲以下入到場都唔滿意啦..再者,,你估佢地冇方法去睇3級咩..
況且,,3級有好票房既都有(eg.黑社會)..

Alex: 而家三級版上映事宜暫時擱置? 非常不高興!!

某D人真係為鬧而鬧…. 上刪剪版又鬧, 後來決定上足本又鬧發行商呃錢. 而家人人都無得係香港戲院看足本, 大家安樂哂la?

一於告安樂! 告到佢執粒! 呢間公司係奸商之中既奸商, 呢件事反映左姓江既做生意只唯行是圖, 拍電影如是, 開戲院如是(你睇,近期大家插爆旺角百老匯), 發行亦如是… 簡直無得救!

你睇銀河從來唔同江老闆合作拍戲就知安樂咩事啦!

云史 :
一於告安樂! 告到佢執粒! 呢間公司係奸商之中既奸商, 呢件事反映左姓江既做生意只唯行是圖, 拍電影如是, 開戲院如是(你睇,近期大家插爆旺角百老匯), 發行亦如是… 簡直無得救!
你睇銀河從來唔同江老闆合作拍戲就知安樂咩事啦!

安樂曾發行兩套銀河電影: 《跟蹤》和《蝴蝶飛》.

shtmanhk：之所以，安樂同英皇拍得住，不過anyway英皇比安樂還好些，無安樂咁衰，成日呃人。。。同安樂比？楊生算得上老實商人了：）杜ＳＩＲ又點會同安樂合作！

shtmanhk : Paul ng :云史 :一於告安樂! 告到佢執粒! 呢間公司係奸商之中既奸商, 呢件事反映左姓江既做生意只唯行是圖, 拍電影如是, 開戲院如是(你睇,近期大家插爆旺角百老匯), 發行亦如是… 簡直無得救!你睇銀河從來唔同江老闆合作拍戲就知安樂咩事啦!安樂曾發行兩套銀河電影: 《跟蹤》和《蝴蝶飛》.但這兩套電影是銀河和驕陽合作拍攝,當時安樂負責驕陽電影的發行.銀河也沒有和英…

:p :
其實應該要鬧爆電檢。
你睇而家一街都係3級片。戲院就嚟唔駛做18歲以下人仕生意喇。否則今週都唔會俾《求婚的惡魔》獨霸天下。
電影公司都係做生意，剪唔剪都係睇錢份上，當然亦有機會決定錯誤以那個級數上映。不過講到底如果電檢唔係乜都3級，又邊會發生咁多呢種事。
希望電檢不要再簡接以’經濟’手段(評定3級令電影公司損失18歲以下票房收入)而迫發行剪片了。

其實三級片都可以賺錢 – 如果無記錯, 《孤疑》票房勁過今年所有經刪剪後變IIB級的美國電影, 如《保衛奇俠》和《希魔撞正殺人狂》. 而《孤疑》很有機會成為近兩年來的恐怖片票房冠軍. (如有錯請更正)

三級對電影有沒有影響, 其實真係case-by-case, 好似《血戰新世紀》和《97古惑仔戰無不勝》主要目標觀眾群是年輕人, 如果唔刪剪為IIB級在戲院上映, 票房會非常慘淡. (《97古惑仔戰無不勝》三級版票房不高)

反而一D主要目標觀眾群是較年長的人的電影, 如果上映三級足本可能對票房更有利.

我諗呢度唔少人都唔妥安樂既做法，連三級暴力icon Tarantino D戲都剪?! 白痴架? 識唔識電影發行架?! Alex兄講果句”又或者係電檢要求剪片呢?”，如果片主唔梗要IIB，電檢洗鬼要求剪片咩，一野III級通過就得la….呢個唔係幾十蚊既問題，而係作為觀眾既權益問題，我又比咁多錢，美國觀眾又比咁多錢，有咩理由我地睇少左，仲要去山長水遠去到戲院睇電檢紙先知cut左，坐左十幾廿蚊車我唔通返屋企咩?!

我唔覺得有咩問題…
人地想谷大d個銷量o者…
不過可能大家冇乜留意…
其實呢d事成日都會發生…
1.超市周不時都有一d特別 packing…
如買二送一…買米送一包即食麵…
2.歌手出cd可以出第二版、第三版、特別限量版…出完可以再出…
MJ、哥哥過左身…咪又出精選…
(入面d歌咪又係一樣)
3.演唱會 rundown 唱咩歌亦可能晚晚不盡相同…
encore或長或短(尤其首場與尾場分別可能更大)
4.戲…出dvd出完單碟版咪又會出雙碟director’s cut版…
以上種種例子我相信大家都有試過…
唔通真係次次都要去消委會投訴咩?
講真人地商業決定…擺明係”昆水”又如何?
正如你覺得樓下間茶餐廳牛腩河賣得貴…
你可以唔食…決定權由始至終都係o係你手
反而我覺得今次戲院o既做法 (尤其係呢套戲)
我覺得佢”冇咩肉食”…
你話 titanic 咁賣座…之後再出另一 version 就話可以賺多筆…
呢套野我就真係幾懷疑有幾多人肯入場睇多次…

I posted previously about Inglorious Basterds, saying that I was very disappointed that they were showing a cut IIB version. I boycotted the film, despite the fact there were several occasions where my friends were pulling me to watch it with them.

If it’s true that they’re going to show an uncut version, I’ll definetly go see it in the cinemas. I don’t think people should blame kingman if they don’t show the uncut version- kingman is right to be angry (why the hell sanitize any Tarantino film?!), and any withdrawal only reflects on the cowardice of Edko Films (安樂)/Universal.

However, I doubt whether there is any case that the Consumer Council can act on. It isn’t a HK-only phenomenon that two versions/cut versions are shown in cinemas: in UK, where the BBFC (the film classification body) are very sensitive about violence, films that are rated 15+ may be voluntarily cut to fit a PG-12 (e.g. Star Wars Episode II). There are no misleading claims made in the advertising that the IIB version is the ‘original’ version, and Edko/Universal do have the right to choose which version to release.

As I stated previously, the whole saga seems to be a miscalcuation on Edko/Universal’s part. Though I believe most people interested in the film did end up watching it (unlike me boycotting it), I’m not quite sure how much of the ‘teen market’ did a IIB version grab. Being long, subtitled, extremely talky, full of cinematic references, and perhaps indulgent, I’m not sure whether a IIB version did sustain a good word of mouth among teens anyways.

To say that the IIB version is Universal and not Edko’s fault is disingenuous: it beggars belief that Edko, being the distribution company, isn’t concerned with how much potential business they can make with a IIB version.

And to blame the IIB version on TELA isn’t entirely correct either: they did pass, and not CENSOR (that will be a big problem) the original Cat III version; the IIB version is due to the efforts of Edko/Universal’s cuts, with or without TELA advice. Of course there’s a valid argument on whether Inglorious Basterds deserves a Cat III to begin with, which touches on TELA’s puritanical/conservative standards (any nudity, any short explicit sex scene, any gay themed sex scenes= Cat III). But given Tarantino’s taste for violence, and the fact the film has been given an adult rating in several countries, I’m not that surprised of the Cat III rating.

Let’s just hope we do get to see an uncut version after all…

:p :
看過你很多支持電檢胡亂評定３級的言論，心裡實在不舒服。

我只是認為三級片都可以marketable, 請不要胡亂扣帽子.

亦這裡某d版友完全以片主/發行商角度出發, 將它們胡亂刪剪電影責任完全推卸給電檢處, 我亦絕不同意. (畢竟如果片主/發行商是尊重那些電影的藝術創作和目標觀眾群, 他們大可發行那些電影的原裝三級版.)

The Daydreamer :
I posted previously about Inglorious Basterds, saying that I was very disappointed that they were showing a cut IIB version. I boycotted the film, despite the fact there were several occasions where m…

How can you know that it’s Edko/Universal’s own decision to cut the film, but not acting on Censor’s advice/guideline? It is illogical that the film company does not apply for clean 2b. No film company will give up the 18- audience without a try.

The Daydreamer :
I posted previously about Inglorious Basterds, saying that I was very disappointed that they were showing a cut IIB version. I boycotted the film, despite the fact there were several occasions where m…

You also relealize that TELA’s standards are extremely puritanical and conservative towards nudity, any short explicit sex scene and any gay themed sex scenes. Now the new TELA head is extending this puritanical and conservative standards to violent (e.g. Inglourious Basterds) and psychical horror (e.g. Orphan) elements. The film industry and general public are going to suffer under this new trend.

Paul ng :
:p :看過你很多支持電檢胡亂評定３級的言論，心裡實在不舒服。

我只是認為三級片都可以marketable, 請不要胡亂扣帽子.
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我那裡有亂扣帽子，以下那３點有那點不是你說的呢？

一：其實三級片都可以賺錢

二：《孤疑》票房勁過今年所有經刪剪後變IIB級的美國電影

三：三級對電影有沒有影響, 其實真係case-by-case

反倒是我指出你言論的問題後，你忽然說你是指「我只是認為三級片都可以marketable」這個沒有在你留言中出現過話題。

:p :
How can you know that it’s Edko/Universal’s own decision to cut the film, but not acting on Censor’s advice/guideline? It is illogical that the film company does not apply for clean 2b. No film company will give up the 18- audience without a try.

My view of it is this: the original Basterds was passed Cat III. Edko, wanting to get the film into a wider audience, wants to aim for a IIB cut. It may have asked TELA for advice on what to cut to reach IIB, or it may have made it own cuts and then submitted it to TELA which passed it for IIB. The fact is, TELA will NEVER force Edko to cut into a IIB, because that’s a commercial decision. I don’t see there’s a problem with Edko asking TELA advice, because after all it is the legal film classification body in Hong Kong.

You may be questioning why the original Basterds is Cat III, and Edko must have wanted to it to pass as IIB without cuts. This is a valid and arguable issue dealing with TELA’s standards of classification, as I pointed out in my reply. It is only my personal opinion that Basterds getting Cat III isn’t surprising. But to say TELA ‘forced’ Edko to cut seems rather harsh.

:p :
You also relealize that TELA’s standards are extremely puritanical and conservative towards nudity, any short explicit sex scene and any gay themed sex scenes. Now the new TELA head is extending this puritanical and conservative standards to violent (e.g. Inglourious Basterds) and psychical horror (e.g. Orphan) elements. The film industry and general public are going to suffer under this new trend.

That is a valid argument that we can go on for ages. I do notice increasingly that violent films are getting Cat III. There are numerous examples of TELA getting it very wrong (most memorable for me is Exiled 放逐 getting Cat III because of a ‘triad handshake’…) Someone should have the guts to judicial review TELA and expose how the secretive organisation actually works.

:p :
The film company has to pay higher 35mm print costs if 2 versions (Cat II and Cat III) is released together, it also brings the company difficulties in advertising the film due to tougher rules on placing Cat III film ad. In other words, releasing 2 versions hand in hand may not be able to bring more money to the company. Of course this is up to the film company’s own projection and the right decision may not be made.

I fully agree with the costs analysis. Watchmen and now Final Destination 4 have Cat III versions because they’re IMAX-only, where you can charge premium price. Which is why I find this re-release peculiar: Basterds isn’t particularly rewatchable, would people really ‘double-dip’ for a minute or more of bloody violence. On the other hand, I doubt whether this is due to consumer complaints (if Hong Kong was a place where thousands of moviegoers can make a fuss about this, then we’re really a ‘movie city’ with a genuinely competitive market instead of being dominated by Hollywood releases…). Perhaps this re-release might be another commercial gamble, and maybe eventually a second miscalculation.

:p :
‘You also relealize that TELA’s standards are extremely puritanical and conservative towards nudity, any short explicit sex scene and any gay themed sex scenes. Now the new TELA head is extending this puritanical and conservative standards to violent (e.g. Inglourious Basterds) and psychical horror (e.g. Orphan) elements. The film industry and general public are going to suffer under this new trend.’

That is a valid argument that we can go on for ages. I do notice increasingly that violent films are getting Cat III. There are numerous examples of TELA getting it very wrong (most memorable for me is Exiled 放逐 getting Cat III because of a ‘triad handshake’…) Someone should have the guts to judicial review TELA and expose how the secretive organisation actually works.

[如果有人說你不剃光頭就要罰你７折出量，你決定了剃光頭，但又指你妄顧剃頭後的核突樣，那你是否自願剃頭？]

受唔知咩形式的刑罰的威迫下被迫按受剃光頭, 以及為令影片變成2B級而刪剪電影, 我覺得完全係不可比較的事. 如果我在被迫按受剃光頭的話題上大造文章, 我對類似事件的受害人則十分不尊重. 所以我唔會回答你…. SORRY, 係路人丙的問題.

[同一套片，同一版本，不同級數的票房，３級是否會比２級少呢？]

亦無真實事例能足以說明此點. 無錯《砵蘭街大少》和《97古惑仔戰無不勝》三級版票房比二級版; 但大部分電影於上映短版後再上映加長版時, 加長版票房必定比短版低. 《少林足球》加長版票房亦比短版低, 難道《少林足球》加長版商業價值比短版低?

一個較接近的例子: 《標殺令》是三級片,《標殺令2》是IIB級, 但《標殺令》香港票房比《標殺令2》高.

Paul ng :

無錯, 電檢準則有需要改善的地方.(但《希魔撞正殺人狂》評為三級未必無理. 除非你認為「剃頭皮」和「手插入肉」的特寫鏡頭是適合兒童欣賞)

但如果一間發行商為了令電影被列IIB而願意大加刪改電影的本質及導演風格, 則是令一回事了.

Paul ng, your Kill Bill analogy is wrong. Kill Bill Vol. 2 was IIB UNCUT. Also, people may have seen Kill Bill Vol. 1 and didn’t like it, and so didn’t bother to follow the story and watch Vol. 2.

As for paul ng and :P’s argument:

1. I agree with 😛 that a Cat IIB version will make more than a Cat III version, simply because there are potentially more moviegoers for Cat IIB. And given that the teen market are most willing to spend on films, a Cat IIB version will naturally be more profitable.

2. However, it is debatable whether a Cat III version will make SIGNIFICANTLY less money than Cat IIB. My opinion is that a Cat III Basterds won’t make much more less than Cat IIB.

3. Most importantly, if the cuts attacks the INTEGRITY of the film, then I will oppose a cut version regardless the fact that it makes more money than an uncut version. I believe this is the case here in Basterds, where Tarantino is a ‘violence auteur’. It doesn’t matter how long or short the cuts are, if the cuts attack the ESSENCE of the film, then in my opinion that’s wrong.

4. Because of this, blame should be on Edko/Universal who decided to cut and make a IIB version. TELA does not care whether you release a Cat IIB or III version, they passed both.

4. If TELA’s standards are so extremely conservative (and we would be able to tell that if our market is flooded with Cat III films), then there may be an argument that TELA is ‘forcing’ distributors to make cuts. But it is my, and I guess paul ng’s opinion, that it is reasonably justifiable that Basterds uncut ‘deserves’ a Cat III, based on Tarantino’s track record, other countries’ classification, and the description of the cuts. There are probably a lot more unjust Cat III examples than Basterds. Again this is all speculation, as I haven’t seen the uncut version.

5. If you think that the whole film classification system in Hong Kong is rotten and that there should be more radical reform to make it more liberal, then naturally we would disagree whether Basterds ‘deserves’ a Cat III. (Perhaps Ryan would like to start a topic on this?)

The Daydreamer :
Paul ng :

無錯, 電檢準則有需要改善的地方.(但《希魔撞正殺人狂》評為三級未必無理. 除非你認為「剃頭皮」和「手插入肉」的特寫鏡頭是適合兒童欣賞)
但如果一間發行商為了令電影被列IIB而願意大加刪改電影的本質及導演風格, 則是令一回事了.

Paul ng, your Kill Bill analogy is wrong. Kill Bill Vol. 2 was IIB …

我並無指出《標殺令2》是被刪剪而變成IIB級, 而《標殺令2》在香港的確是無刪剪.

不過《標殺令》是三級片,《標殺令2》是IIB級, 但《標殺令》香港票房依然比《標殺令2》高. 證明某些類型的電影就算是IIB級也未必對票房有幫助.

我同意對某些以年輕人作主要目標觀眾群的電影, 如果刪剪為IIB級在戲院上映, 票房會提高. 但《希魔撞正殺人狂》以成年人作主要目標觀眾群, 如果以三級足本上映, 配合更適當的發行策略, 可能會更吸引成年觀眾, 票房或者更好.

無論如何, 對The Daydreamer兄的大部分意見, 我是同意的.

我對香港電檢制度有不少意見(好似《感官世界》和《浪漫情色》等片, 都要經刪改以逃過禁映惡運, 簡直扼殺成年人的觀影自由) 但《希魔撞正殺人狂》, 我看了一些三級版的劇照後, 覺得列為三級未必全無道理.

shtmanhk :
Paul ng :

一個較接近的例子: 《標殺令》是三級片,《標殺令2》是IIB級, 但《標殺令》香港票房比《標殺令2》高.

《標殺令》香港票房比《標殺令2》略高,主要是因為上集官能刺激十足,下集太多對白太少動作.

這或會影響《標殺令2》票房後勁. 但《標殺令》香港開畫票房也比《標殺令2》略高.

Paul ng :

我對香港電檢制度有不少意見(好似《感官世界》和《浪漫情色》等片, 都要經刪改以逃過禁映惡運, 簡直扼殺成年人的觀影自由)

感官世界= Nagisa Oshima’s 大島渚 In the Realm of the Senses? How the hell can you cut the film when nearly all of it is hardcore sex, and when the film is about sex?!

Actually, if you look at the films rated Cat III every year at HKIFF, you’ll find a lot of ridiculous examples. A few years ago they actually BANNED one of the shorts in Destricted 性愛無限級 (somehow HKIFF only selected 2 shorts out of the original 7, all showing real sex). Banning a film is really disproportionate, especially when HKIFF is already an limited audience.

The Daydreamer :
Paul ng :

我對香港電檢制度有不少意見(好似《感官世界》和《浪漫情色》等片, 都要經刪改以逃過禁映惡運, 簡直扼殺成年人的觀影自由)

感官世界= Nagisa Oshima’s 大島渚 In the Realm of the Senses? How the hell can you cut the film when nearly all of it is hardcore …

是. 感官世界= Realm of the Senses. 當年泛亞跟電檢處抗爭好耐, 但最後都被迫讓步. (當年泛亞另一事件 – The Ages of Lulu原本有一場亂倫強姦戲, 被電檢處禁左; 結果泛亞將電影的中文字幕修改, 令強姦戲中的強姦者和受害者關係更改, 結果那場強姦戲便通過電檢)

其實我不時對電檢準則也有不滿: 《我為卿狂》中的強姦戲近乎足本通過, 但Irreversible的強姦戲卻被剪得支離破碎. ( Irreversible的強姦戲是令人對強姦反感; 《我為卿狂》中的強姦戲卻只賣弄無恥獸慾和低級民族主義)

其實電檢制度已不斷進步, 但依然有不少進步空間. 電檢處要繼續改善, 令成年人有更大的觀影自由.

Paul ng :
[如果有人說你不剃光頭就要罰你７折出量，你決定了剃光頭，但又指你妄顧剃頭後的核突樣，那你是否自願剃頭？]

受唔知咩形式的刑罰的威迫下被迫按受剃光頭, 以及為令影片變成2B級而刪剪電影, 我覺得完全係不可比較的事. 如果我在被迫按受剃光頭的話題上大造文章, 我對類似事件的受害人則十分不尊重. 所以我唔會回答你…. SORRY, 係路人丙的問題.

[同一套片，同一版本，不同級數的票房，３級是否會比２級少呢？]

亦無真實事例能足以說明此點. 無錯《砵蘭街大少》和《97古惑仔戰無不勝》三級版票房比二級版; 但大部分電影於上映短版後再上映加長版時, 加長版票房必定比短版低. 《少林足球》加長版票房亦比短版低, 難道《少林足球》加長版商業價值比短版低?

一個較接近的例子: 《標殺令》是三級片,《標殺令2》是IIB級, 但《標殺令》香港票房比《標殺令2》高.
…

路人丙提到刑罰就是七折出糧呀。

你不願回答路丙的提問嗎?那麼現在我問好了:
[如果有人說你不剃光頭就要罰你７折出量，你決定了剃光頭，但又被人指責你妄顧剃頭後的核突樣，那你是否自願剃頭？]

至於[同一套片，同一版本，不同級數的票房，３級是否會比２級少呢？]，你根本沒有正面回答。你的例子是再發行呀，又甚至是不同的電影（Kill Bill 1 & 2）。其實這只是一條單的邏輯性問題而已。

怎樣，你可以回答了嗎？

:p :
Paul ng :[如果有人說你不剃光頭就要罰你７折出量，你決定了剃光頭，但又指你妄顧剃頭後的核突樣，那你是否自願剃頭？]

受唔知咩形式的刑罰的威迫下被迫按受剃光頭, 以及為令影片變成2B級而刪剪電影, 我覺得完全係不可比較的事. 如果我在被迫按受剃光頭的話題上大造文章, 我對類似事件的受害人則十分不尊重. 所以我唔會回答你…. SORRY, 係路人丙的問題.
[同一套片，同一版本，不…

Sorry… 我沒細心留意到:p….唔係,係路人兄提到的刑罰. 但我依然不會回答的問題.

[同一套片，同一版本，不同級數的票房，３級是否會比２級少呢？]…..我已經回答了你.

另一方面, 我認為（Kill Bill 1 & 2）正曷好例子好證明IIB級未必對票房有幫助. Kill Bill 1在香港上映和推出影碟後, Kill Bill 2才上映,但IIB級的Kill Bill 2在香港開畫票房和香港總票房上也不及三級的Kill Bill 1 .

Paul ng :
:p :Paul ng :[如果有人說你不剃光頭就要罰你７折出量，你決定了剃光頭，但又指你妄顧剃頭後的核突樣，那你是否自願剃頭？]

受唔知咩形式的刑罰的威迫下被迫按受剃光頭, 以及為令影片變成2B級而刪剪電影, 我覺得完全係不可比較的事. 如果我在被迫按受剃光頭的話題上大造文章, 我對類似事件的受害人則十分不尊重. 所以我唔會回答你…. SORRY, 係路人丙的問題.[同一套片，同一版本…

看著連1+1這種程度的問題都要推3推4的態度，又或拉扯些不相關的例子來濛混，有趣有趣。

你不願答，我倒願意斷續問啊。

問一：[如果有人說你不剃光頭就要罰你７折出量，你決定了剃光頭，但又被人指責你妄顧剃頭後的核突樣，那你是否自願剃頭？]

問二：[同一套片，同一版本，不同級數的票房，３級是否會比２級少呢？]，

:p :
Paul ng ::p :Paul ng :[如果有人說你不剃光頭就要罰你７折出量，你決定了剃光頭，但又指你妄顧剃頭後的核突樣，那你是否自願剃頭？]

受唔知咩形式的刑罰的威迫下被迫按受剃光頭, 以及為令影片變成2B級而刪剪電影, 我覺得完全係不可比較的事. 如果我在被迫按受剃光頭的話題上大造文章, 我對類似事件的受害人則十分不尊重. 所以我唔會回答你…. SORRY, 係路人丙的問題.[…

你也不是在不能解說的話題上推3推4嗎 .(KILL BILL系列例子你以[不相關]為由完全迴避不提. KILL BILL 2變成IIB級片, 票房竟然低過被列三級的第一集? )

你有權對在一些話題上不作回應, 我也有權對你的問題不作回應.

Paul ng :
:p :Paul ng :Paul ng :你究竟明不明客觀和主觀的分別? 我只是客觀上分析/推測電檢處給予《孤疑》三級的理由, 但這不代表我主觀上同意電檢處給予《孤疑》三級.

[每當有人批評電檢時，你便殺出來反對一番。我不是說過’看過你很多支持電檢胡亂評定３級的言論’嗎？]我不是針對電影制度而來. 只是當有人暗示三級片沒商業價值, 故發行商/片主為了獲IIB級而刪改電影本質及導演風格不無道…

《神探》如果IIB級在戲院上映, 票房會更高.

問了電影中心，回答是不會上。真是失望。

Paul ng :
Paul ng :你也不是在不能解說的話題上推3推4嗎 .(KILL BILL系列例子你以[不相關]為由完全迴避不提. KILL BILL 2變成IIB級片, 票房竟然低過被列三級的第一集? )

你有權對在一些話題上不作回應, 我也有權對你的問題不作回應.

一早解釋了，Kill Bill 1及Kill Bill 2是兩套不同的電影，比較沒有意義。如果你明白什麼是〔要比較同一套片，同一版本，不同級數〕，即是說，你可以比較：
(1)Kill Bill 1 同樣版本，３級還是２級票房較多；或
(2)Kill Bill 2 同樣版本，３級還是２級票房較多

不過，我讚成你繼續不明白下去，這樣的辯論才會更有誤樂性。

請指出你那些提問我’沒有’回應，我一定補答。

當然，我其實是非常’客觀’地明白你你什麼要迴避一些程度等如[1+1]的提問的。

《希魔撞正殺人狂》這些電影如不在電影院欣賞, 觀影享受會大大減弱. 想在電影院欣賞最好的版本, 是理所當然的事.

:p :
Paul ng Paul ng: 我覺得電檢有時把部分影片列作三級的理由十分無理(如《放．逐》). 而如果由我評級, 《孤疑》可能只會IIB級.(儘管我某程度上可能了解到為何電檢處要列此片三級) 但正如我之前所言, 我看了一些《希魔撞正殺人狂》 三級版的劇照後, 覺得此片列為三級未必全無道理.

三級一定會令片主少了收入? 呢D真係CASE-BY-CASE. 對某些以年輕人作主要目標觀眾群的電…

《色‧戒》係好多國家(尤其係歐洲)都唔係三級, 香港電檢對性愛既態度實在太保守. 《神探》更加唔駛講.

其實將電影列為三級, 根本是侵犯未成年觀眾既人權. 未成年觀眾適合睇咩電影, 應該由佢地既父母和監護人決定, 而不需要政府以強權執行.(而且俾未成年觀眾更早了解成人內容, 唔係會更有助他們成長嗎?)
既然有人關心學生既驗毒人權, 點解無人關心學生既睇電影人權?

睇番電影中心同百老匯網頁,照舊上映三級希魔,看來佢唔係縮番唔上

我上百記網業見到三級版係153mins, 2b級版都係153mins,想問下其實有乜反別????

Paul ng :
如果一套片只有一個放映格式, 是不能同時上映兩個版本.

是日兩個版本都同時上映喎…

原裝三級版
http://www2.cinema.com.hk/revamp/html/list_detail.php?lang=c&movie_id=4131

IIB 版
http://www.thegrandcinema.com.hk/movie_content.aspx?visMovie=511&visLang=1
http://www.cityline.com/chi/movie/byMovieStep2.jsp?eventKey=53449

okde :
Paul ng :如果一套片只有一個放映格式, 是不能同時上映兩個版本.

是日兩個版本都同時上映喎…
原裝三級版http://www2.cinema.com.hk/revamp/html/list_detail.php?lang=c&movie_id=4131
IIB 版http://www.thegrandcinema.com.hk/movie_content.aspx?v…

sorry…..我可能收錯料.

或者一個級別的版本要開畫時間過了一段時間, 才可上映另一版本? 我覺得如果法例容許只有一個放映格式的電影可同時上映兩個不同級數的版本, 一早有電影會如此發行.

如果我有錯, 十分sorry….

Paul ng :
shtmanhk :紀陶認為最近電檢收緊,出了亂子:http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/radio1/movieworld/20090919.html 值得另文再作探討.

我去戲院看了《希魔撞正殺人狂》三級版, 覺得片中一d血腥鏡頭(ie.割頭皮,射爛面)都應該達到三級尺度. (在我看那場, 部分血腥鏡頭引起部分觀眾大叫)
值得一提: 當年Nurse Bett…

近一個月或下一兩個月,實在有太多電影被評定為三級,似乎真的要認真探討一下.

Paul,hangover有否删剪?有說北美版那位從車廂中跳出來的亞洲人是全裸,是否屬實

根據在台灣看到hangover之電影片準演執照,該片評為輔導級(大約等同2B)並無刪剪,要點如下:
1.胖男露屁股
2.女子露乳哺乳
3.男子從車箱全裸跳出,重點部位以馬賽克遮掩
4.片末有女子露乳照片

華納應該係同一版本以供亞洲地區發行

而希魔撞正殺人狂亦是無刪剪以限制級上映(片段含在香港被刪剪之暴力鏡頭)

其實香港電檢尺度是否過緊,真係好睇檢查員及當時之檢查顧問(即公眾市民)之意見
當片商送片到tela會要求該片屬那一級別過檢,檢查員會先以此尺度評核,加上公眾檢查員意外,只要意見一致就會通過
但,如當時公眾檢查員之尺道較緊,結果不一致便要開會討論.
基本上過份暴力(如爆頭,詳細描述傷口斷肢)都會列為三級. 而孤疑三級相信同未成年兒童犯罪極為有關(tela一向對有關未成年犯罪情節審得頗為嚴謹)

曾有例子 – 一部電影節上映過之黑幫電影,片中暴力鏡頭不算多,公眾檢查員投票結果為六票2B一票三級.結果審核結果為三級,理由是片中有未成年兒童拿槍.

所以孤疑被列為三級,我並不感意外.

p.s.(因我曾於電檢處擔任公眾檢查顧問,所以對現時尺度略知一二,如有錯誤請更正)

shtmanhk :
英語周刋HK主動接觸安樂有關希魔事件,今期報導此事,全文節錄如下:
We decided to call Edko films to clarify, and according to their spokesperson, Edko is not obliged to inform the audience that what they are watching is an edited v…

OT:

根據電檢紙, 《希魔撞正殺人狂》三級版在9月15日才成功過檢, 所以發行《希魔撞正殺人狂》三級版應該不是早有預謀的事.

閒雜人等 :
其實香港電檢尺度是否過緊,真係好睇檢查員及當時之檢查顧問(即公眾市民)之意見當片商送片到tela會要求該片屬那一級別過檢,檢查員會先以此尺度評核,加上公眾檢查員意外,只要意見一致就會通過但,如當時公眾檢查員之尺道較緊,結果不一致便要開會討論.基本上過份暴力(如爆頭,詳細描述傷口斷肢)都會列為三級. 而孤疑三級相信同未成年兒童犯罪極為有關(tela一向對有關未成年犯罪情節審得頗為嚴謹)
曾有例子 …

咁電檢處尺度都有點海鮮波….

《天堂邊緣》和《去年煙花特別多》都有兒童開槍射人的鏡頭, 但兩片也沒有被列三級.

在Hangover的美國版,從車尾箱跳出來的亞洲男子是全裸的. 我估計是導演拍多一個版本,以作北美地區以外上映之用.

shtmanhk :
Paul ng :shtmanhk :紀陶認為最近電檢收緊,出了亂子:http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/radio1/movieworld/20090919.html 值得另文再作探討.

我去戲院看了《希魔撞正殺人狂》三級版, 覺得片中一d血腥鏡頭(ie.割頭皮,射爛面)都應該達到三級尺度. (在我看那場, 部分血腥鏡頭引起部分觀眾大叫)值得一提: 當年Nur…

KK :
在Hangover的美國版,從車尾箱跳出來的亞洲男子是全裸的. 我估計是導演拍多一個版本,以作北美地區以外上映之用.
shtmanhk :Paul ng :shtmanhk :紀陶認為最近電檢收緊,出了亂子:http://www.rthk.org.hk/rthk/radio1/movieworld/20090919.html 值得另文再作探討.

我去戲院看了《希魔撞正殺人狂》三級…

thanks

台灣竟然放映美版.