《維多利亞壹號》足本香港無緣放映

又係一套我無緣上戲院接觸既戲
其實想睇下志明與春嬌
不過奈何小弟未夠十八歲

The Daydreamer :
With our rich cinema heritage of bloodletting and rape fetish, I’m very curious how the censored 10 seconds in 維多利亞壹號 stacks up with the nasty flicks we’ve crapped out in the 1980s-1990s. I have big d…

在香港上映的 絕命派對 是有删剪過的。

Correction: Hostel 殺人慾室 and Hostel II weren’t released in cinemas in Hong Kong (I do remember seeing the posters though, but guess my memory is playing tricks with me), and in fact Hostel’s Region 3 local DVD is no longer unavaliable in the market (possibly confiscated or withdrawn), leaving a censored/butchered VCD version.

Also, TELA have censored other violent films in the past, such as Ichii the Killer 殺手阿一 (nearly 20 minutes worth of footage cut) and Baise-Moi 強我 (although this is more to do with the numerous penetration scenes). But I still have my doubts whether 維多利亞壹號 reaches such violent excesses, as well as the issue of principle on whether it is necessary to cut a Cat III film.

訪問有話有切（使用狀態）中的陽具鏡頭，已經懷疑會不會 cut 了

唉，仲諗住可以足本睇……
真係好唔明，明明三級都仲CUT，又唔俾理由……

yy :
唉，仲諗住可以足本睇……真係好唔明，明明三級都仲CUT，又唔俾理由……

太血腥

所以 CUT

(已經係理由啦)

香港的電檢處對香港的電影要求係特別高

外語片就會鬆少少

葉璇有一場比何小姐殺

葉璇係大肚婆，殺人手法殘忍

CUT

老實講,套片由”朋友希恐怖預告”開始到依家的tralier,都顯示出電影人的心機…

唔知彭浩翔下套戲會唔會拍套諷刺電檢既戲?

The Daydreamer : But I still have my doubts whether 維多利亞壹號 reaches such violent excesses, as well as the issue of principle on whether it is necessary to cut a Cat III film.

維多利亞壹號 III 級版 預告 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68RJMqvSEcc

相信都去得幾盡

幕後期作人 : 太血腥所以 CUT (已經係理由啦)香港的電檢處對香港的電影要求係特別高外語片就會鬆少少葉璇有一場比何小姐殺葉璇係大肚婆，殺人手法殘忍CUT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68RJMqvSEcc

1:26 葉璇大肚被殺,CUT 了幾多?

球証 : 老實講,套片由”朋友希恐怖預告”開始到依家的tralier,都顯示出電影人的心機…

維多利亞壹號 製作綵排 – 何超儀 鐵頭功 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvysZuYirGE

維多利亞壹號 製作綵排 – 單立文v.s.何超儀 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blAonknvaRI

shtmanhk :

電檢收緊之跡象由去年中已出現,不知那些人士的背景如何?

明光社的蔡志森係審裁員之一

火龍入面智叔都講左好多句粗口.

The LegCo should do something about this. Disband the TELA and make the rating system voluntary.

話時話，人係有良知的，唔係咁多人有興趣睇好似手術室開刀一樣的近鏡，如果套戲收到三百萬則血腥暴力片復活了。

MaWai :

良知還良知，唔係咁多人有興趣睇同完全無得睇係兩回事 。7，80年代一樣大把血腥暴力片，選擇權應該係觀眾，而唔係…

完全贊同!

Lulu :
Norm :MaWai :

良知還良知，唔係咁多人有興趣睇同完全無得睇係兩回事 。7，80年代一樣大把血腥暴力片，選擇權應該係觀眾，而唔係…
完全贊同!話時話，原來咁多人贊成政府對電影採取放任態度。電影人可以想拍就去拍，但如果粗製濫造，血腥暴力片揾人睇都好難，市場調節係最重要。

電檢處簡直係扼殺創作空間啦
是否粗制濫造其實可以在票房上反映啊
觀眾眼睛是雪亮的，人云亦云能夠撐起票房都好少出現在血腥暴力片上
再者一套電影如果真係太超過底線自然有社會大眾去關注
唔應刻讓一小撮所謂的代表去操生剎大權囉

幕後期作人 :
放心
CUT 左了
PS 條陽具係射精中…..

In the European Film Festival in February, they showed Antichrist 失落伊甸園 Cat III uncut, and there’s a scene where the female character jerks off a penis that ejaculates blood.

那真是謝天謝地哦彌陀佛了，如果只是血腥場面，起碼對情節不會太大影響，如果砍十幾分鐘，那真是唔使再望了。

首先聲明本人並非支持tela，只是個人意見。

看畢眾位聲討tela的留言，想問係咪拍一套四仔都應該不用刪剪，照上戲院可也。

早前香港上映了一套泰國電影人肉麪線，泰國版本82分鐘，香港版本93分鐘，台灣則無刪剪版本，但為何沒有人讚揚香港比泰國寛鬆?可能有人會話差同更差比較沒有意思，但每個地方有不同的制度，就好像法律制度，究意利益歸於被告還是歸於原告，有死刑還是沒有死刑，哪個才是對?相信沒有定論，制度建基於文化，不同地方有不同文化便衍生不同制度。

一套電影經由拍攝到上映經過刪剪相信不止只是tela的一次，導演、監制、投資者等等，究竟要哪個版本大家才滿意，在本人而言只要不影響內容又能表達最終意思便行。

其實今次事件中，有幾多留言者是真正知道刪剪後有否影響原本內容，賀歲西片狼人亦是經刪剪才上映，又為何沒有人出聲。

最後，容許本人直接懷疑在此留言的人的動機，相信有部份人是電影公司在挑撥。而部份只是執輸的心態罷。

ss : 其實想導演本人回應下，因為如果影響到成套戲ge情節，咁我覺得觀眾有權唔睇囉，等vcd。

DVDs, VCDs (and VHS and LD’s, if they still exist :D) are equally regulated under the Film Censorship Ordinance- both 同門 and 復仇 were cut so that they can be shown in cinemas with Cat IIB, but the uncut DVDs were rated Cat III.

If anyone wants to release on DVD a new version of a film that is different (i.e. more/less/different scenes) from the original version that received a certificate of approval by TELA (essentially this means the original version was shown in cinemas), then they have to submit this new version to TELA for approval (s. 15AA).

So if 彭浩翔 wants to release the censored 10 seconds on DVD, he’ll have to submit it to TELA for permission. And given that the 10 seconds were cut to get Cat III approval, permission seems pretty unlikely to be granted.

阿星:看畢眾位聲討tela的留言，想問係咪拍一套四仔都應該不用刪剪，照上戲院可也。

But what is a 四仔? Strictly speaking, it doesn’t exist (it’s not a category).

If a 四仔 is merely a film that is ‘banned’, then we need to understand the reasons why it should be banned, and this inevitably links to the question of why does HK society need a film classification system in the first place. If the original rationale for the creation of a classification system is no longer accepted by HK people, or if TELA is not enforcing the system as it was intended, then we have a problem here.

And if you’re talking about 四仔 as hardcore porn, you know very well it’s almost nonexistent legally in HK. The bulk of cut Cat III films in the 1990s were porn films, and the few remaining porn cinemas are only replaying films.

阿星:早前香港上映了一套泰國電影人肉麪線，泰國版本82分鐘，香港版本93分鐘，台灣則無刪剪版本，但為何沒有人讚揚香港比泰國寛鬆?可能有人會話差同更差比較沒有意思，但每個地方有不同的制度，就好像法律制度，究意利益歸於被告還是歸於原告，有死刑還是沒有死刑，哪個才是對?相信沒有定論，制度建基於文化，不同地方有不同文化便衍生不同制度。

Besides the issue of state censorship (see below), you’ve highlighted the issue of culture. But can we fairly say that TELA reflects our cultural norms, which are dynamic and ever-changing? Have there been regular, broad, fair consultations and public discussions? Why have there been numerous examples of double standards and arbitrary decision making? Why does TELA seem to be progressing (e.g. bad language), regressing (e.g. violence), or stay the same (e.g. sex)? What reasons are there for these changes?

阿星:一套電影經由拍攝到上映經過刪剪相信不止只是tela的一次，導演、監制、投資者等等，究竟要哪個版本大家才滿意，在本人而言只要不影響內容又能表達最終意思便行。

Of course it’s well known that many directors were pressured to cut their films for various reasons (often commercial e.g. it’s too long, it doesn’t ‘make sense’). It’s fortunate that in some cases the ‘director’s cut’ was eventually released (I wonder whether we’ll ever see the rumoured 3hr cut of 黑社會).

But what is controversial (and to me personally, outrageous) here is that
both 維多利亞壹號 and 安非他命 are cut by the STATE (TELA). Both films are victims of state censorship, and this immediately transforms into a SOCIAL and POLITICAL issue touching freedom of expression, creative freedom, arts development, HK film industry development, public morality etc.

To say that ‘as long as the cuts don’t effect the story’ is to ignore two fundamental problems: Why should a small, closed, opaque body have the right to decide what is acceptable or not for HK audiences; and why is it necessary to cut a film that is already restricted to adult audiences?

阿星:其實今次事件中，有幾多留言者是真正知道刪剪後有否影響原本內容，賀歲西片狼人亦是經刪剪才上映，又為何沒有人出聲。

Now that Ryan (and others) have seen the uncut version, maybe they’ll like to see the HK version and document what was cut?
狼人 was cut? Where did you read this?

阿星:最後，容許本人直接懷疑在此留言的人的動機，相信有部份人是電影公司在挑撥。而部份只是執輸的心態罷。

I guess that’s why some comments were deleted 🙂

I would like to see a VOLUNTARY rating system in place. Whether to play a film censored or not should lie in the hands of the cinemas, which make their decision based on the market force. The TELA (or the government) should leave child-parenting responsibility to parents.

錯在生於香港
CUT飽佢
我等一區UNRATED

《維多利亞壹號》血腥片段被剪
編劇轟電檢制度冇民主

http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com/template/apple/art_main.php?iss_id=20100530&sec_id=4104&subsec_id=11867&art_id=14082629

反映港人供樓之苦的電影《維多利亞壹號》被電檢處刪剪血腥片段，編劇曾國祥批評電檢制度缺乏民主機制，沒有足夠道德權威判斷哪些畫面適合公開播映。明光社總幹事蔡志森認為可透過民調制訂標準，隨即被座談會台下觀眾質疑。

海外影展足本播放
《維多利亞壹號》在海外影展可以足本播放，但在香港公映的版本卻被電檢處刪去十多秒血腥場面。在昨日一個電檢及網絡管治座談會，編劇曾國祥以《維》片為例，發炮批評電檢制度，質疑為何既然電影已評為三級，為何仍刪剪片段：「三級已經係只准 18歲以上人士睇，成年人有自己諗法，有乜 moral authority去判斷乜嘢睇得？乜嘢唔睇得？」
明光社總幹事蔡志森自言曾當編劇，也做過電檢成員。他說：「人係會受環境影響，即使 18歲都係，正如大家都唔會贊成公開講食大麻有好處，有啲嘢係會帶來負面影響，世界上總有啲底線不能踰越。」

民調訂標準受質疑

論壇氣氛熱烈，「維園阿哥」任亮憲以台下觀眾身份發言，質疑誰人有權釐定底線。蔡志森即時回應，提出由大學或獨立機構做民調，制訂標準。任亮憲反駁說：「民調可以好偏頗，政府做嘅民調話過半數人支持政改方案，不如整個網絡做公投。」這時台下觀眾報以掌聲和應。

另一位台下觀眾「星屑醫生
」歐陽英傑則說，擔心電影及互聯網規管制度會被當權者濫用，他問蔡志森有否關心過權力絕對化的後果。蔡志森則回應稱，明光社也經常遭受網絡欺凌：「好似網民喺維基污衊我哋，我哋試過修改，好快又被網民重新寫入錯嘅內容。」